Comments on: People still don’t get it http://spatiallyadjusted.com/2007/12/05/people-still-dont-get-it/ Geospatial Technology, Web Mapping and Spatial Services Fri, 10 Feb 2012 19:09:18 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: darth http://spatiallyadjusted.com/2007/12/05/people-still-dont-get-it/#comment-7372 Mon, 17 Dec 2007 09:03:48 +0000 http://www.spatiallyadjusted.com/2007/12/05/people-still-dont-get-it/#comment-7372 I think it’s important to keep the discussion straight. Without doubt it’s all about gis. But what’s the difference? It’s an economic reason. Community based activities are based on economic models that are based on saving money mostly on a production process (mainly software-production. or think of published beta-software keeping the eye on the testing process). “Volunteered Geographic Information” saves costs for example in the production process (user-data) or the marketing process (bringing established software into the “professional” market). Companies or software-maintainers are using this economic strategies behind their actions, mostly aware (traditionalist, the new big ones or the os-maintainers) some unaware (the lone sourceforce nerd).
Second question: Why “Volunteered Geographic Information” or “Community based GIS”? Main reason is: People like to save money. OS and Google are cheaper than the traditionalists. Second reason is: People like to rig something together, like the next modern web-client. Third reason: People like underdogs and like to deconstruct established structures.

There are economic reasons, technical reasons and social reasons. We had it all before…

]]> By: J Wallis http://spatiallyadjusted.com/2007/12/05/people-still-dont-get-it/#comment-7371 Wed, 12 Dec 2007 14:23:50 +0000 http://www.spatiallyadjusted.com/2007/12/05/people-still-dont-get-it/#comment-7371 @Tim

Just because a new trend comes along doesn’t mean it is a good trend. Remember when Java was pitched as the holy grail that was going to end all of our cross platform issues? Wow that really came to pass huh?

]]> By: daethKiss http://spatiallyadjusted.com/2007/12/05/people-still-dont-get-it/#comment-7370 Sun, 09 Dec 2007 12:11:45 +0000 http://www.spatiallyadjusted.com/2007/12/05/people-still-dont-get-it/#comment-7370 I like this man on the video. He is like a samurai :D

]]> By: KoS http://spatiallyadjusted.com/2007/12/05/people-still-dont-get-it/#comment-7369 Sat, 08 Dec 2007 14:39:46 +0000 http://www.spatiallyadjusted.com/2007/12/05/people-still-dont-get-it/#comment-7369 After reading J Wallis comments..

“and this neogeography term needs to die, here and now. It implies that the discipline of geography is broken or unresponsive when in fact it shows the unwillingness to learn the discipline of geography”

I’m starting to agree with that assessment. IMHO, it would seem the term neogeography is being used as more a marketing device. A way to seperate one self from the crowd. In reality, it’s not a seperate discipline, rather a sub-discipline within the big, broad heading of geography.

All they are doing(in most cases) is appling new tools to old geographic basics.

Geography does and can cover almost everything on this Earth. Hence it’s root meaning. No need to re-invent the wheel, so to speak.

Neogeography isn’t changing the entire discipline of geography. Rather the geospatial component of geography is being changed through the activities of the “neos”. Why call/name it neogeography? Maybe it should be called/named neo-GIS, neo-matics, neo-something? Not neogeography, geography isn’t changing, the technology to apply geography is changing.

KoS

]]> By: Tim Maddle http://spatiallyadjusted.com/2007/12/05/people-still-dont-get-it/#comment-7368 Sat, 08 Dec 2007 00:52:24 +0000 http://www.spatiallyadjusted.com/2007/12/05/people-still-dont-get-it/#comment-7368 Why couldn’t they make a sitcom about Star Wars Kid instead of Cavemen?

“A few years ago Photoshop got popular, and all of a sudden 1000000 kids had better jobs then someone who was in the profession for years.”

Maybe that should be appended with, ” and refused to keep up with technology and trends in the field.” You may not like a trend in the industry, but don’t think that means it’s going away or you can hide from it.

]]> By: J Wallis http://spatiallyadjusted.com/2007/12/05/people-still-dont-get-it/#comment-7367 Fri, 07 Dec 2007 14:34:03 +0000 http://www.spatiallyadjusted.com/2007/12/05/people-still-dont-get-it/#comment-7367 “GIS is hard. It is supossed to be hard. How can you earn money if any 14 year old can do GIS work?

A few years ago Photoshop got popular, and all of a sudden 1000000 kids had better jobs then someone who was in the profession for years.
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EXACTLY! It reminds me of the MCSEs who came out of cert mills who were suddenly “system administrators”

and this neogeography term needs to die, here and now. It implies that the discipline of geography is broken or unresponsive when in fact it shows the unwillingness to learn the discipline of geography.

]]> By: Dave Bouwman http://spatiallyadjusted.com/2007/12/05/people-still-dont-get-it/#comment-7366 Fri, 07 Dec 2007 12:30:38 +0000 http://www.spatiallyadjusted.com/2007/12/05/people-still-dont-get-it/#comment-7366 @Lefty

Touche. ;-)

]]> By: Lefty http://spatiallyadjusted.com/2007/12/05/people-still-dont-get-it/#comment-7365 Fri, 07 Dec 2007 03:54:36 +0000 http://www.spatiallyadjusted.com/2007/12/05/people-still-dont-get-it/#comment-7365 Dave, its a freaking blog. The whole reason any of us are reading this stuff is because we are wasting our time. If we were busy, we wouldn’t be here.
;)

]]> By: Dave Bouwman http://spatiallyadjusted.com/2007/12/05/people-still-dont-get-it/#comment-7364 Fri, 07 Dec 2007 03:20:47 +0000 http://www.spatiallyadjusted.com/2007/12/05/people-still-dont-get-it/#comment-7364 When I first read the article/snippet I was going to write a post about it, but I’m traveling so I’ll let it go with just a short comment…

Old Skool: Stop finger pointing and focus on releasing great software. (Some of you are – keep it up)

New Skool: You will still need the old skool for some things – don’t be too quick to burn bridges.

Everyone: Semantic finger pointing like this is a waste of time. Put your energy into doing something remarkable.

]]> By: George Silva http://spatiallyadjusted.com/2007/12/05/people-still-dont-get-it/#comment-7363 Thu, 06 Dec 2007 23:03:53 +0000 http://www.spatiallyadjusted.com/2007/12/05/people-still-dont-get-it/#comment-7363 GIS is hard. It is supossed to be hard. How can you earn money if any 14 year old can do GIS work?

A few years ago Photoshop got popular, and all of a sudden 1000000 kids had better jobs then someone who was in the profession for years.

Perhaps the creation of technical standarts would separate these two types of work. In Brazil theres no specific laws about GIS. Dont know about the states…

Standarts, tight group of professionals, that would separate “noob work” from professional work.

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