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		<title>By: Luc</title>
		<link>http://spatiallyadjusted.com/2008/11/05/sharing-the-file-geodatabase/#comment-10449</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 13:11:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[my 2 cents...

&lt;a href=&quot;http://moreati.org.uk/blog/2009/03/01/shapefile-20-manifesto/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Here&lt;/a&gt; is an interesting post about interchangeable file formats

cheers]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>my 2 cents&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://moreati.org.uk/blog/2009/03/01/shapefile-20-manifesto/" rel="nofollow">Here</a> is an interesting post about interchangeable file formats</p>
<p>cheers</p>
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		<title>By: Autumn</title>
		<link>http://spatiallyadjusted.com/2008/11/05/sharing-the-file-geodatabase/#comment-10448</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Autumn]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 16:52:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[File based geodata formats still are incredibly useful, and shapefiles are definitely getting stale.  I have been complaining to my ESRI reps about the &quot;missing&quot; open API for file geodatabases for a long while now.  I think they really missed the boat by pushing it off for so long.  Last I heard it wasn&#039;t coming until version 10, but that may be inaccurate at this point.

File geodatabases can indeed be thought of as (Workstation) ArcInfo &quot;workspaces&quot;, but one extremely helpful advantage of the file GDB over old coverages is that everything you need is contained in the .gdb directory (as opposed to the dealing with a &quot;coverage directory&quot; and an &quot;info directory&quot; that might be shared among many coverages in the workspace.)

This simple change means that you can zip and ship file geodatabases very easily using standard operating system tools, and pass along all of the geodatabase advantages (e.g. annotation) to your collaborator or client.

One of the other interesting things about file geodatabases versus shapefiles emerges when you look at a shapefile with a very large (many columns) attribute table that is sparsely populated.  Compare this to the same data in a &quot;compressed&quot; file geodatabase - read only, yes, but just fine for display and query.  We have one data-layer that is 500 mb in shapefile format, 50 mb as a compressed file geodatabase.  The difference is in the .dbf table versus attribute storage in the compressed file GDB.

And finally, if you do a fair amount of data maintenance in SDE (er... Server) it is much simpler to export that data to a file geodatabase for sharing, than dealing with shapefiles and the headaches of column-name truncation, field data type irregularities, etc.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>File based geodata formats still are incredibly useful, and shapefiles are definitely getting stale.  I have been complaining to my ESRI reps about the &#8220;missing&#8221; open API for file geodatabases for a long while now.  I think they really missed the boat by pushing it off for so long.  Last I heard it wasn&#8217;t coming until version 10, but that may be inaccurate at this point.</p>
<p>File geodatabases can indeed be thought of as (Workstation) ArcInfo &#8220;workspaces&#8221;, but one extremely helpful advantage of the file GDB over old coverages is that everything you need is contained in the .gdb directory (as opposed to the dealing with a &#8220;coverage directory&#8221; and an &#8220;info directory&#8221; that might be shared among many coverages in the workspace.)</p>
<p>This simple change means that you can zip and ship file geodatabases very easily using standard operating system tools, and pass along all of the geodatabase advantages (e.g. annotation) to your collaborator or client.</p>
<p>One of the other interesting things about file geodatabases versus shapefiles emerges when you look at a shapefile with a very large (many columns) attribute table that is sparsely populated.  Compare this to the same data in a &#8220;compressed&#8221; file geodatabase &#8211; read only, yes, but just fine for display and query.  We have one data-layer that is 500 mb in shapefile format, 50 mb as a compressed file geodatabase.  The difference is in the .dbf table versus attribute storage in the compressed file GDB.</p>
<p>And finally, if you do a fair amount of data maintenance in SDE (er&#8230; Server) it is much simpler to export that data to a file geodatabase for sharing, than dealing with shapefiles and the headaches of column-name truncation, field data type irregularities, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: JW</title>
		<link>http://spatiallyadjusted.com/2008/11/05/sharing-the-file-geodatabase/#comment-10447</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 17:22:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[if ESRI releases an API for fGDB, it might was well be an API for SDE since they are practically identical.

keeping with the simgle file mantra for interchange, what about an XML workspace document support?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>if ESRI releases an API for fGDB, it might was well be an API for SDE since they are practically identical.</p>
<p>keeping with the simgle file mantra for interchange, what about an XML workspace document support?</p>
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		<title>By: j</title>
		<link>http://spatiallyadjusted.com/2008/11/05/sharing-the-file-geodatabase/#comment-10446</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 17:00:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[as an aside - we&#039;ve been steadily shifting to storing and providing data in &quot;spatial databases&quot;.

By this I mean &quot;normal&quot; databases (not a Geodatabse per say) w/ a geom field, usually in WKB format.  Doesn&#039;t help with the true curves of course, but does make for an easy to port format that can be as simple or complex as required.  We keep ours in SQL Server, but can pretty simply convert it to Oracle, MS Access etc.  As long as the client can read the geom binary, we&#039;re good to go.

We&#039;ve been sort of cringing at the whole FGDB thing, as coverages were (as has been mentioned) a real bear to move/share and I don&#039;t see the FGDB as being any different. Not to mention that most of our clients can read them as they don&#039;t use ESRI software.

I think shp files have outlived their usefulness in the grand scheme (yes - I realize that they are still being used and doing well for many organizations) as the limitations of this format have caused us to essentially stop using it unless we have to for a client.

my 2 cents.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>as an aside &#8211; we&#8217;ve been steadily shifting to storing and providing data in &#8220;spatial databases&#8221;.</p>
<p>By this I mean &#8220;normal&#8221; databases (not a Geodatabse per say) w/ a geom field, usually in WKB format.  Doesn&#8217;t help with the true curves of course, but does make for an easy to port format that can be as simple or complex as required.  We keep ours in SQL Server, but can pretty simply convert it to Oracle, MS Access etc.  As long as the client can read the geom binary, we&#8217;re good to go.</p>
<p>We&#8217;ve been sort of cringing at the whole FGDB thing, as coverages were (as has been mentioned) a real bear to move/share and I don&#8217;t see the FGDB as being any different. Not to mention that most of our clients can read them as they don&#8217;t use ESRI software.</p>
<p>I think shp files have outlived their usefulness in the grand scheme (yes &#8211; I realize that they are still being used and doing well for many organizations) as the limitations of this format have caused us to essentially stop using it unless we have to for a client.</p>
<p>my 2 cents.</p>
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		<title>By: Dale Lutz</title>
		<link>http://spatiallyadjusted.com/2008/11/05/sharing-the-file-geodatabase/#comment-10445</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dale Lutz]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 16:35:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Brett -- we&#039;ve seen a number of customers run into troubles with the stroked-out-curves issue over the years, and I agree that the lack of curve support is a huge issue for Shape files but also a number of other modern formats and systems too.  So much so that  TCI Corporation has made a plugin for AutoCAD that fits arcs back onto stroked-out-areas (http://tcicorp.com/html/sol_cfit2.php) and has also made this available to FME users (http://www.safe.com/technology/documents/technical_briefs/Curvefitter_Tech_Brief.pdf) as a plugin so that it can be applied to any format at all.  There typically are great reductions in file size, particularly with File Geodatabase, and some folks claim improvements in accuracy when data that was originally curve-filled and now stroked into line segments is later curve fitted.

@Indigo -- the open API for File Geodatabase will certainly be something widely welcomed.  In the opt-in usage stats we collect with FME, Shape by far is the most popular format, but it is looking a bit long in the tooth and so it may be time for something better, and a free-and-clear File Geodatabase API may pave the way.  But, if not, there&#039;s always the option of storing spatial data in SQLite (right Jason???:-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Brett &#8212; we&#8217;ve seen a number of customers run into troubles with the stroked-out-curves issue over the years, and I agree that the lack of curve support is a huge issue for Shape files but also a number of other modern formats and systems too.  So much so that  TCI Corporation has made a plugin for AutoCAD that fits arcs back onto stroked-out-areas (<a href="http://tcicorp.com/html/sol_cfit2.php" rel="nofollow">http://tcicorp.com/html/sol_cfit2.php</a>) and has also made this available to FME users (<a href="http://www.safe.com/technology/documents/technical_briefs/Curvefitter_Tech_Brief.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.safe.com/technology/documents/technical_briefs/Curvefitter_Tech_Brief.pdf</a>) as a plugin so that it can be applied to any format at all.  There typically are great reductions in file size, particularly with File Geodatabase, and some folks claim improvements in accuracy when data that was originally curve-filled and now stroked into line segments is later curve fitted.</p>
<p>@Indigo &#8212; the open API for File Geodatabase will certainly be something widely welcomed.  In the opt-in usage stats we collect with FME, Shape by far is the most popular format, but it is looking a bit long in the tooth and so it may be time for something better, and a free-and-clear File Geodatabase API may pave the way.  But, if not, there&#8217;s always the option of storing spatial data in SQLite (right Jason???:-)</p>
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		<title>By: Skytte</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Skytte]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 15:26:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[ESRI will most likely release an ADO.NET type access to the FGDB. I think I heard it would be around the 9.4 release.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ESRI will most likely release an ADO.NET type access to the FGDB. I think I heard it would be around the 9.4 release.</p>
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		<title>By: Brett</title>
		<link>http://spatiallyadjusted.com/2008/11/05/sharing-the-file-geodatabase/#comment-10443</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brett]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 01:01:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[One of the huge looming issues with shapefile conversion is the loss of true curves. We have data producing departments who have very serious issues with densifying  legally defined curves into polylines for roads, parcels, and jurisdictional boundaries. Once our data get released, it has a knack for finding its way into all sorts of high accuracy situations; and this gets embarrassing (and time consuming) when data users comes back to us with questions on intersecting parcels and jurisdictions (fortunately none of this has ended up in court yet).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the huge looming issues with shapefile conversion is the loss of true curves. We have data producing departments who have very serious issues with densifying  legally defined curves into polylines for roads, parcels, and jurisdictional boundaries. Once our data get released, it has a knack for finding its way into all sorts of high accuracy situations; and this gets embarrassing (and time consuming) when data users comes back to us with questions on intersecting parcels and jurisdictions (fortunately none of this has ended up in court yet).</p>
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		<title>By: Sean Gorman</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sean Gorman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 22:12:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Interesting idea and I think if/when we get to supporting raster formats it would make a lot of sense.  The question is how many vector file formats are there that folks would like to see supported.  This seems like a fairly small universe which is why, to date, we&#039;ve done it ourselves to save money.  On the vector side of GIS supported formats what would everyone see as great to haves?  For us it is not a question of the value of FME or WeoGeo for that matter but really a question of economics and engineering integration effort.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting idea and I think if/when we get to supporting raster formats it would make a lot of sense.  The question is how many vector file formats are there that folks would like to see supported.  This seems like a fairly small universe which is why, to date, we&#8217;ve done it ourselves to save money.  On the vector side of GIS supported formats what would everyone see as great to haves?  For us it is not a question of the value of FME or WeoGeo for that matter but really a question of economics and engineering integration effort.</p>
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		<title>By: Indigo</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Indigo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 20:12:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[When is ESRI going to keep their promise and release and open API for the fGDB?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When is ESRI going to keep their promise and release and open API for the fGDB?</p>
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		<title>By: CaseyM</title>
		<link>http://spatiallyadjusted.com/2008/11/05/sharing-the-file-geodatabase/#comment-10440</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[CaseyM]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2008 21:04:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Shapefiles still store data using a dbf so the column names present some annoying limits.  Sharing if normal data is annoying with ESRI products.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shapefiles still store data using a dbf so the column names present some annoying limits.  Sharing if normal data is annoying with ESRI products.</p>
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