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		<title>By: map butcher &#187; Certification</title>
		<link>http://spatiallyadjusted.com/2009/06/30/esri-uc-response-to-questions/#comment-11723</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[map butcher &#187; Certification]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 09:16:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Shrek</title>
		<link>http://spatiallyadjusted.com/2009/06/30/esri-uc-response-to-questions/#comment-11722</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Shrek]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 19:18:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Manifold fanboy&quot;.

Definitely. Absolutely. I am with good reason. I&#039;ll take that as compliment. :-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Manifold fanboy&#8221;.</p>
<p>Definitely. Absolutely. I am with good reason. I&#8217;ll take that as compliment. <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: mhurley</title>
		<link>http://spatiallyadjusted.com/2009/06/30/esri-uc-response-to-questions/#comment-11721</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 17:57:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree, real world experince far out ways a GISP
I studied Engineering and geology and then studied engineering drafting. Went to work for a large consulting firm whom specilized in offshore oil exploration and mapped alot of the sea floor. Learned so much in Geotechnical engineering, enviro, water, etc. 30 years now in our industry I understand the needs and results from GIS but have no desire to get a GISP.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree, real world experince far out ways a GISP<br />
I studied Engineering and geology and then studied engineering drafting. Went to work for a large consulting firm whom specilized in offshore oil exploration and mapped alot of the sea floor. Learned so much in Geotechnical engineering, enviro, water, etc. 30 years now in our industry I understand the needs and results from GIS but have no desire to get a GISP.</p>
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		<title>By: Brett</title>
		<link>http://spatiallyadjusted.com/2009/06/30/esri-uc-response-to-questions/#comment-11720</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 01:45:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Okay, I&#039;ll spell it out for you. Our 911 center has desktop software components that run on unix (note: unix, not linux). This is very common in 911 centers; from my understanding it has something to do with how phase II works, but I don&#039;t really know. I&#039;m the gis guy, not the 911 guy. So, we have to run unix on windows, aka x-vision. X-vision is way more stable than running the same components in any windows emulation of unix. X-vision supports matrox cards to run at its 2d fastest. We have no 3d applications. 3d cards would essentially be a waste. It is not worth it to have 30 computers with 3d cards for one person to run a handful of operations on CUDA a few times a year.
Meanwhile, since the desktops are actually windows desktops, I can run HEC-RAS on them. I do not have a stable computing environment; I could be using any of the computers on any given day. I am not nearly as important as 911 operations. Having 911 go down for 5 minutes because I wanted to install unsupported cards would easily offset all the time I would save running CUDA enabled operations.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, I&#8217;ll spell it out for you. Our 911 center has desktop software components that run on unix (note: unix, not linux). This is very common in 911 centers; from my understanding it has something to do with how phase II works, but I don&#8217;t really know. I&#8217;m the gis guy, not the 911 guy. So, we have to run unix on windows, aka x-vision. X-vision is way more stable than running the same components in any windows emulation of unix. X-vision supports matrox cards to run at its 2d fastest. We have no 3d applications. 3d cards would essentially be a waste. It is not worth it to have 30 computers with 3d cards for one person to run a handful of operations on CUDA a few times a year.<br />
Meanwhile, since the desktops are actually windows desktops, I can run HEC-RAS on them. I do not have a stable computing environment; I could be using any of the computers on any given day. I am not nearly as important as 911 operations. Having 911 go down for 5 minutes because I wanted to install unsupported cards would easily offset all the time I would save running CUDA enabled operations.</p>
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		<title>By: NV IDIA</title>
		<link>http://spatiallyadjusted.com/2009/06/30/esri-uc-response-to-questions/#comment-11719</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[NV IDIA]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 01:25:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Brett I got to help you out here.  

&quot;Believe it or not, that unix-on-windows setup is a lot more stable than, well, any 64-bit windows system.&quot; 

Running something on top of windows can&#039;t make it any more stable than windows. It can only make it less stable or no change.  It can&#039;t make it more stable.  64-bit windows is more reliable than 32-bit windows.  Windows 7 x64 is more reliable than any previous windows.  

&quot;My time is only $30/hr (and I can always run operations overnight).&quot;

You got me there Mr. Slowsky.  If you don&#039;t mind taking hours to do what could be done in minutes Nvidia is not for you. LOL!

For everybody else, Nvidia is 100% supported by the vendors that use it. If you don&#039;t care how long anything takes Nvidia is not for you.

James, it&#039;s not living loose to use the most reliable windows ever.  A Microsoft RC is better tested than anything Arc.  If you use windows you should use the most reliable windows, Windows 7.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brett I got to help you out here.  </p>
<p>&#8220;Believe it or not, that unix-on-windows setup is a lot more stable than, well, any 64-bit windows system.&#8221; </p>
<p>Running something on top of windows can&#8217;t make it any more stable than windows. It can only make it less stable or no change.  It can&#8217;t make it more stable.  64-bit windows is more reliable than 32-bit windows.  Windows 7 x64 is more reliable than any previous windows.  </p>
<p>&#8220;My time is only $30/hr (and I can always run operations overnight).&#8221;</p>
<p>You got me there Mr. Slowsky.  If you don&#8217;t mind taking hours to do what could be done in minutes Nvidia is not for you. LOL!</p>
<p>For everybody else, Nvidia is 100% supported by the vendors that use it. If you don&#8217;t care how long anything takes Nvidia is not for you.</p>
<p>James, it&#8217;s not living loose to use the most reliable windows ever.  A Microsoft RC is better tested than anything Arc.  If you use windows you should use the most reliable windows, Windows 7.</p>
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		<title>By: NV IDIA</title>
		<link>http://spatiallyadjusted.com/2009/06/30/esri-uc-response-to-questions/#comment-11718</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[NV IDIA]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 00:53:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Yeah, all I used was HEC-RAS&quot;

I thought you said you used unix-on-windows enterprise software. HEC-RAS is straight windows.  LOL!  Forgot to keep your stories straight!

If HEC-RAS could use GPU your 15 minute job would be done in 15 seconds.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Yeah, all I used was HEC-RAS&#8221;</p>
<p>I thought you said you used unix-on-windows enterprise software. HEC-RAS is straight windows.  LOL!  Forgot to keep your stories straight!</p>
<p>If HEC-RAS could use GPU your 15 minute job would be done in 15 seconds.</p>
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		<title>By: Brett</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brett]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 23:33:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;It is not the cost of the cards but of your time. Compared to that it costs nothing to buy an extra PC to do your heavy lifting with Nvidia. Run Windows 7 x64 too. Life is good.&quot;

I already pointed out it was not the cost of the cards. My time is only $30/hr (and I can always run operations overnight). System downtime on an emergency response system for a metropolitan area costs a lot more than that. Believe it or not, that unix-on-windows setup is a lot more stable than, well, any 64-bit windows system. It&#039;s really not worth it to introduce unsupported hardware to a critical system just to save the GIS guy a few hours a year.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It is not the cost of the cards but of your time. Compared to that it costs nothing to buy an extra PC to do your heavy lifting with Nvidia. Run Windows 7 x64 too. Life is good.&#8221;</p>
<p>I already pointed out it was not the cost of the cards. My time is only $30/hr (and I can always run operations overnight). System downtime on an emergency response system for a metropolitan area costs a lot more than that. Believe it or not, that unix-on-windows setup is a lot more stable than, well, any 64-bit windows system. It&#8217;s really not worth it to introduce unsupported hardware to a critical system just to save the GIS guy a few hours a year.</p>
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		<title>By: Brett</title>
		<link>http://spatiallyadjusted.com/2009/06/30/esri-uc-response-to-questions/#comment-11716</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brett]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 23:27:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yeah, all I used was HEC-RAS.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, all I used was HEC-RAS.</p>
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		<title>By: James Fee</title>
		<link>http://spatiallyadjusted.com/2009/06/30/esri-uc-response-to-questions/#comment-11715</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[James Fee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 22:24:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You live loose, good luck with that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You live loose, good luck with that.</p>
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		<title>By: NV IDIA</title>
		<link>http://spatiallyadjusted.com/2009/06/30/esri-uc-response-to-questions/#comment-11714</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[NV IDIA]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 22:09:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I guess you don&#039;t use ESRI software then! LOL!  

Windows 7 x64 is great. It&#039;s better than XP, 2003 or Vista. No need for Captain Crashalot pain like Arc puts you through. 

Mission critical means getting the job done fast and reliable.  On the desktop today that&#039;s Windows 7.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess you don&#8217;t use ESRI software then! LOL!  </p>
<p>Windows 7 x64 is great. It&#8217;s better than XP, 2003 or Vista. No need for Captain Crashalot pain like Arc puts you through. </p>
<p>Mission critical means getting the job done fast and reliable.  On the desktop today that&#8217;s Windows 7.</p>
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