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		<title>By: New Jersey&#8217;s State Plan Policy Map</title>
		<link>http://spatiallyadjusted.com/2009/08/13/mercator-projection-hating-continues/#comment-11962</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[New Jersey&#8217;s State Plan Policy Map]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 03:24:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] project, now an OSGeo project. MapServer renders individual tiles, at specified zoom levels, using the Web Mercator projection. These tiles are then cached using an aptly named Python application called TileCache. The map is [...]
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] project, now an OSGeo project. MapServer renders individual tiles, at specified zoom levels, using the Web Mercator projection. These tiles are then cached using an aptly named Python application called TileCache. The map is [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Col. Angus Goodwell</title>
		<link>http://spatiallyadjusted.com/2009/08/13/mercator-projection-hating-continues/#comment-11961</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Col. Angus Goodwell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2009 21:39:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Maps and the internet. Serious business.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maps and the internet. Serious business.</p>
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		<title>By: Archie Belaney</title>
		<link>http://spatiallyadjusted.com/2009/08/13/mercator-projection-hating-continues/#comment-11960</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Archie Belaney]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 13:15:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[How about an octant?

Nowt for time and an astrolabe anyone?

take a page from Polynesians and their etak view of the world - everything was local.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about an octant?</p>
<p>Nowt for time and an astrolabe anyone?</p>
<p>take a page from Polynesians and their etak view of the world &#8211; everything was local.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Snyder</title>
		<link>http://spatiallyadjusted.com/2009/08/13/mercator-projection-hating-continues/#comment-11959</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chris Snyder]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 23:52:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If you were an early explorer with only a sextant and a crappy clock (not until 1700&#039;s BTW) to guide you, you would appreciate the finer points of the Mercator projection.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you were an early explorer with only a sextant and a crappy clock (not until 1700&#8242;s BTW) to guide you, you would appreciate the finer points of the Mercator projection.</p>
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		<title>By: Gary Ostroff</title>
		<link>http://spatiallyadjusted.com/2009/08/13/mercator-projection-hating-continues/#comment-11958</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gary Ostroff]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 19:47:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Paul Ramsey&#039;s comment is to the point - despite being poor for large areas, the Mercator works fine for the small areas that most people are looking at on the Web.  

Still...there are applications where this is not the case, weather maps for example.  It would be nice if the regional or continental maps were in a more appropriate projection, but that would require work and investment, and since nobody is clamoring for it or paying for it, the offerings sink to the lowest acceptable level, i.e., put it all in lat/long unprojected or Mercator.

I know from experience that a map of New York City&#039;s five boroughs in unprojected lat/long (i.e. on a Cartesian, or is Platte Carre projection?) hardly raises an eyebrow here, even though everything looks skewed to me!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul Ramsey&#8217;s comment is to the point &#8211; despite being poor for large areas, the Mercator works fine for the small areas that most people are looking at on the Web.  </p>
<p>Still&#8230;there are applications where this is not the case, weather maps for example.  It would be nice if the regional or continental maps were in a more appropriate projection, but that would require work and investment, and since nobody is clamoring for it or paying for it, the offerings sink to the lowest acceptable level, i.e., put it all in lat/long unprojected or Mercator.</p>
<p>I know from experience that a map of New York City&#8217;s five boroughs in unprojected lat/long (i.e. on a Cartesian, or is Platte Carre projection?) hardly raises an eyebrow here, even though everything looks skewed to me!</p>
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		<title>By: GeoWeb Guru</title>
		<link>http://spatiallyadjusted.com/2009/08/13/mercator-projection-hating-continues/#comment-11957</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[GeoWeb Guru]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 20:42:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Paul &amp; Archie:   Quite, but there are many online map applications that use Google/Bing/whatever to plot global data because there aren&#039;t any realistic alternatives. Occasionally Mercator is okay (although it is ugly for this case), but in most cases it is an extremely poor choice of projection. For example, the much publicised map of world marine preserves would appear to suggest that virtually all of the world&#039;s marine preserves are held by Denmark and one group of small Russian islands!

As it happens, we have a series of articles due for publication in a few weeks covering these subjects. They will end with a demonstration web site and how-to that shows you how to do a better job. (yes the demo website is not designed for zooming in to individual cities where these issues are generally not of concern)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul &amp; Archie:   Quite, but there are many online map applications that use Google/Bing/whatever to plot global data because there aren&#8217;t any realistic alternatives. Occasionally Mercator is okay (although it is ugly for this case), but in most cases it is an extremely poor choice of projection. For example, the much publicised map of world marine preserves would appear to suggest that virtually all of the world&#8217;s marine preserves are held by Denmark and one group of small Russian islands!</p>
<p>As it happens, we have a series of articles due for publication in a few weeks covering these subjects. They will end with a demonstration web site and how-to that shows you how to do a better job. (yes the demo website is not designed for zooming in to individual cities where these issues are generally not of concern)</p>
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		<title>By: Archie Belaney</title>
		<link>http://spatiallyadjusted.com/2009/08/13/mercator-projection-hating-continues/#comment-11956</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Archie Belaney]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 17:12:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Convinced me.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Convinced me.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Ramsey</title>
		<link>http://spatiallyadjusted.com/2009/08/13/mercator-projection-hating-continues/#comment-11955</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul Ramsey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 16:26:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Web maps are mostly used in a highly-zoomed-in state, where issue of lack of a true scale disappears. Particularly since in web maps it is possible to provide (and the maps do provide) a dynamic scale bar that is always correct no matter what your zoom level or viewing latitude.

Things only fall apart when looking at the whole world at once (or trying to look at the poles), but that&#039;s not the primary use case for these maps, I would argue (perhaps unconvincingly).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Web maps are mostly used in a highly-zoomed-in state, where issue of lack of a true scale disappears. Particularly since in web maps it is possible to provide (and the maps do provide) a dynamic scale bar that is always correct no matter what your zoom level or viewing latitude.</p>
<p>Things only fall apart when looking at the whole world at once (or trying to look at the poles), but that&#8217;s not the primary use case for these maps, I would argue (perhaps unconvincingly).</p>
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		<title>By: Archie Belaney</title>
		<link>http://spatiallyadjusted.com/2009/08/13/mercator-projection-hating-continues/#comment-11954</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Archie Belaney]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 16:21:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Fair? - that&#039;s something we all (should have) left on the schoolyard.

Is it not more reasonable to see more data presented on a familiar ground that is widely known and accepted, or should we make multiple allowances to accomodate a minority view?

It&#039;s a free web, people. If you&#039;d like to use something else, go ahead. I like that the &#039;big uns&#039; are using Gerry&#039;s view...the angles look pretty good in the area where i live. If it were up to me, I&#039;d have to say I like Bucky&#039;s Dymaxionic.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fair? &#8211; that&#8217;s something we all (should have) left on the schoolyard.</p>
<p>Is it not more reasonable to see more data presented on a familiar ground that is widely known and accepted, or should we make multiple allowances to accomodate a minority view?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a free web, people. If you&#8217;d like to use something else, go ahead. I like that the &#8216;big uns&#8217; are using Gerry&#8217;s view&#8230;the angles look pretty good in the area where i live. If it were up to me, I&#8217;d have to say I like Bucky&#8217;s Dymaxionic.</p>
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		<title>By: Bertdelongue</title>
		<link>http://spatiallyadjusted.com/2009/08/13/mercator-projection-hating-continues/#comment-11953</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bertdelongue]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 15:12:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Good point,

But even if we can agree that &#039;one projection fits for all&#039; is not a best approach, we have to consider that supporting 2 projections for web map services means setting up 2 caches (because don&#039;t even dream about Google Maps-like performance if you re-project on-the-fly), which is a huge burden in terms of infrastructure.

Who will invest massive amounts of money to cover it without strong operational justification? (and I&#039;m affraid &#039;to be fair with everybody in the way we represent the world&#039; is not a strong operational justification).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good point,</p>
<p>But even if we can agree that &#8216;one projection fits for all&#8217; is not a best approach, we have to consider that supporting 2 projections for web map services means setting up 2 caches (because don&#8217;t even dream about Google Maps-like performance if you re-project on-the-fly), which is a huge burden in terms of infrastructure.</p>
<p>Who will invest massive amounts of money to cover it without strong operational justification? (and I&#8217;m affraid &#8216;to be fair with everybody in the way we represent the world&#8217; is not a strong operational justification).</p>
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