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		<title>By: Off to the 2011 GeoDesign Summit &#124; Mapsys.info</title>
		<link>http://spatiallyadjusted.com/2010/01/09/thoughts-on-the-geodesign-summit/#comment-12956</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Off to the 2011 GeoDesign Summit &#124; Mapsys.info]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Jan 2011 19:45:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Just like last year, I’m headed off to the GeoDesign Summit to start the year. I’m looking forward to hearing how things have changed in the 12 months since we last sat in Jack’s new building, but I’m not sure I’m that hopeful. [...]
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Just like last year, I’m headed off to the GeoDesign Summit to start the year. I’m looking forward to hearing how things have changed in the 12 months since we last sat in Jack’s new building, but I’m not sure I’m that hopeful. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Zolnai</title>
		<link>http://spatiallyadjusted.com/2010/01/09/thoughts-on-the-geodesign-summit/#comment-12955</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andrew Zolnai]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2010 23:26:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[LOL - 

See my latest blogpost, and correct me on OGC if I missed it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL &#8211; </p>
<p>See my latest blogpost, and correct me on OGC if I missed it.</p>
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		<title>By: GeoDesign Bibliography Updates &#171; GIS and Science</title>
		<link>http://spatiallyadjusted.com/2010/01/09/thoughts-on-the-geodesign-summit/#comment-12954</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[GeoDesign Bibliography Updates &#171; GIS and Science]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 16:58:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Fee, James.Â  2010.Â  &#8220;Thoughts on the GeoDesign Summit.&#8221;Â  Spatial Adjusted blog, 09 January 2010.Â  http://www.spatiallyadjusted.com/2010/01/09/thoughts-on-the-geodesign-summit/ [...] ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Fee, James.Â  2010.Â  &#8220;Thoughts on the GeoDesign Summit.&#8221;Â  Spatial Adjusted blog, 09 January 2010.Â  <a href="http://www.spatiallyadjusted.com/2010/01/09/thoughts-on-the-geodesign-summit/" rel="nofollow">http://www.spatiallyadjusted.com/2010/01/09/thoughts-on-the-geodesign-summit/</a> [...]</p>
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		<title>By: GeoDesign: A Bibliography &#171; GIS and Science</title>
		<link>http://spatiallyadjusted.com/2010/01/09/thoughts-on-the-geodesign-summit/#comment-12953</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[GeoDesign: A Bibliography &#171; GIS and Science]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 16:39:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] J.Â  (2010)Â  Thoughts on the GeoDesign Summit.Â  Spatial Adjusted blog, 09 January [...] ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] J.Â  (2010)Â  Thoughts on the GeoDesign Summit.Â  Spatial Adjusted blog, 09 January [...]</p>
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		<title>By: admic</title>
		<link>http://spatiallyadjusted.com/2010/01/09/thoughts-on-the-geodesign-summit/#comment-12952</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 12:17:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Brian Sims</title>
		<link>http://spatiallyadjusted.com/2010/01/09/thoughts-on-the-geodesign-summit/#comment-12951</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brian Sims]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 19:31:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Can&#039;t reply to Archie&#039;s last comment for some reason so replying here.

RE &quot;Itâ€™s going to be interesting to see if he can reshape the discussion when competing with an entity that cares even *less* about the bottom line than ESRI.&quot;

Yes it will be VERY interesting.  But don&#039;t think that Google cares less about the bottom line.  Google cares it is just that their bottom line is funded through other revenue streams and mapping is just one more way they can generate revenue - it is just not using the mapping technology itself.  And that is why it is so disruptive to those with a more traditional business model.  

ESRI is not about making money on advertising or trying to index everything around us; their business model is selling software and the maintenance plan associated with that software.     

RE: &quot;As to how relevant all this is to most folks in their day-to-day GIS activitiesâ€¦well, not so much.&quot;

I think it is more relevant that we may realize right now.  I feel the changes taking place now are laying the foundation for some very interesting changes that will affect our day-to-day GIS activities.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can&#8217;t reply to Archie&#8217;s last comment for some reason so replying here.</p>
<p>RE &#8220;Itâ€™s going to be interesting to see if he can reshape the discussion when competing with an entity that cares even *less* about the bottom line than ESRI.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes it will be VERY interesting.  But don&#8217;t think that Google cares less about the bottom line.  Google cares it is just that their bottom line is funded through other revenue streams and mapping is just one more way they can generate revenue &#8211; it is just not using the mapping technology itself.  And that is why it is so disruptive to those with a more traditional business model.  </p>
<p>ESRI is not about making money on advertising or trying to index everything around us; their business model is selling software and the maintenance plan associated with that software.     </p>
<p>RE: &#8220;As to how relevant all this is to most folks in their day-to-day GIS activitiesâ€¦well, not so much.&#8221;</p>
<p>I think it is more relevant that we may realize right now.  I feel the changes taking place now are laying the foundation for some very interesting changes that will affect our day-to-day GIS activities.</p>
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		<title>By: Archie Belaney</title>
		<link>http://spatiallyadjusted.com/2010/01/09/thoughts-on-the-geodesign-summit/#comment-12950</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Archie Belaney]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 22:35:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ahhh, yes. For the most part, it&#039;s okay if a glass is half empty as long as the publican is watching and ready to back it up with another.

&quot;we&quot; will all need to work very hard to bring Autodesk and Intergraph and Dassault and Google and theremotesensingcommunity and survey companies and architects and...and, and, and -- the rest of the &#039;community&#039; -- to the table on this. I think that will take a decade.

But maybe some of the people that matter to ESRI will be thinking about this along the way, and from ESRI&#039;s perspective, that&#039;s a good thing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahhh, yes. For the most part, it&#8217;s okay if a glass is half empty as long as the publican is watching and ready to back it up with another.</p>
<p>&#8220;we&#8221; will all need to work very hard to bring Autodesk and Intergraph and Dassault and Google and theremotesensingcommunity and survey companies and architects and&#8230;and, and, and &#8212; the rest of the &#8216;community&#8217; &#8212; to the table on this. I think that will take a decade.</p>
<p>But maybe some of the people that matter to ESRI will be thinking about this along the way, and from ESRI&#8217;s perspective, that&#8217;s a good thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron A.</title>
		<link>http://spatiallyadjusted.com/2010/01/09/thoughts-on-the-geodesign-summit/#comment-12949</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Aaron A.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 22:03:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I like the idea of GeoDesign.  It&#039;s an idea that needs much socialization.  I think that Carl Steinitz is an example of just having a &quot;go&quot; at GeoDesign.  He didn&#039;t ask anyone&#039;s permission or try to build consensus.  He just did it.  While I don&#039;t agree with all of his ideas, it doesn&#039;t make them bad either.  ESRI is much in the same mold.  

@James -- I don&#039;t think it is as much an issue of the glass being half full or half empty, but rather being able to design a glass that will hold whatever you pour in it.  That glass = GeoDesign....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like the idea of GeoDesign.  It&#8217;s an idea that needs much socialization.  I think that Carl Steinitz is an example of just having a &#8220;go&#8221; at GeoDesign.  He didn&#8217;t ask anyone&#8217;s permission or try to build consensus.  He just did it.  While I don&#8217;t agree with all of his ideas, it doesn&#8217;t make them bad either.  ESRI is much in the same mold.  </p>
<p>@James &#8212; I don&#8217;t think it is as much an issue of the glass being half full or half empty, but rather being able to design a glass that will hold whatever you pour in it.  That glass = GeoDesign&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: James Fee</title>
		<link>http://spatiallyadjusted.com/2010/01/09/thoughts-on-the-geodesign-summit/#comment-12948</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[James Fee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 21:42:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Which is exactly why I think everyone should be involved.  If GeoDesign is about ESRI it will fail.  Jack freely admits this.  Sure all boats will rise including ESRI&#039;s on this, but is that such a bad thing if we can get BIM/GIS/Architecture/Engineering and whatever else you think is GeoDesign to interop better and bring in crowd sourced data?

Glass half full or glass half empty here guys...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Which is exactly why I think everyone should be involved.  If GeoDesign is about ESRI it will fail.  Jack freely admits this.  Sure all boats will rise including ESRI&#8217;s on this, but is that such a bad thing if we can get BIM/GIS/Architecture/Engineering and whatever else you think is GeoDesign to interop better and bring in crowd sourced data?</p>
<p>Glass half full or glass half empty here guys&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Archie Belaney</title>
		<link>http://spatiallyadjusted.com/2010/01/09/thoughts-on-the-geodesign-summit/#comment-12947</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Archie Belaney]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 21:40:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sure, software companies play a huge role in how our work is defined, but that&#039;s because they are us...and are building software that [sometimes] answers the questions our discipline &#039;asks&#039; as we try to help solve problems. Of course, the product designers and coders may be hostage to legacy dreck which prevents rational progress, and marketing considerations mitigate against technical freedom - but that&#039;s capitalism, baby. 

The geodesign schtick is, definitively, an exercise in tilting at windmills while we move across the landscape. But it&#039;s that very *conversation* that Jack&#039;s trying to start. The presence of the dialog becomes validation for the process, and as the process evolves, it validates the requirements, and so on...all very academic. 

ESRI is a huge force in the GIS/CAE/CAD/planning business-ecosystem. This process gets the people in these trades talking about your product in a new way. Again - this is redefining the conversation. And that is something that ESRI needs very much to do.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure, software companies play a huge role in how our work is defined, but that&#8217;s because they are us&#8230;and are building software that [sometimes] answers the questions our discipline &#8216;asks&#8217; as we try to help solve problems. Of course, the product designers and coders may be hostage to legacy dreck which prevents rational progress, and marketing considerations mitigate against technical freedom &#8211; but that&#8217;s capitalism, baby. </p>
<p>The geodesign schtick is, definitively, an exercise in tilting at windmills while we move across the landscape. But it&#8217;s that very *conversation* that Jack&#8217;s trying to start. The presence of the dialog becomes validation for the process, and as the process evolves, it validates the requirements, and so on&#8230;all very academic. </p>
<p>ESRI is a huge force in the GIS/CAE/CAD/planning business-ecosystem. This process gets the people in these trades talking about your product in a new way. Again &#8211; this is redefining the conversation. And that is something that ESRI needs very much to do.</p>
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